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【转帖】阚凯力称上3G是经济灾难 电信业面临革命

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发表于 2006-5-10 23:57:45| 字数 74| - 中国–北京–北京 方正宽带 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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北京邮电大学 信息产业政策与发展研究所 阚凯力

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说得不错。当年电信力推ISDN我就跟哥们说了不要上,哥们不听,花着双倍的月租费爽了没几天,ADSL就开始普及了。

当初觉得TD-SCDMA应该上,因为WLAN的覆盖距离毕竟太小,现在看看WiMAX,3G确实不太重要了

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WiMAX is an acronym that stands for Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access, a certification mark for products that pass conformity and interoperability tests for the IEEE 802.16 and ETSI HiperMAN standards. WiMAX is a standards-based wireless technology that provides high-throughput broadband connections over long distances. WiMAX can be used for a number of applications, including "last mile" broadband connections, hotspots and cellular backhaul, and high-speed enterprise connectivity for business. The public driven wireless internet wimax & wisp access roll out map is now available.

Products that pass the conformity tests for WiMAX are capable of forming wireless connections between them to permit the carrying of internet packet data. It is similar to WiFi in concept, but has a number of enhancements designed to improve performance and permit usage over much greater distances.

IEEE 802.16 is working group number 16 of IEEE 802, specializing in point-to-multipoint broadband wireless access.

Contents [show]
1 Technical advantages over WiFi
2 Uses for WiMAX
3 Product release
3.1 2005
3.2 2006
3.3 FIXED AND MOBILE
3.4 PCMCIA, FPGA
3.5 WiBro:South Korean version
3.6 Targeting network service providers, not consumers
3.7 Qualcomm acquires Flarion
3.8 Intel WiMAX Collaborations with Nokia, Motorola in 2005
4 Standards
4.1 IEEE 802.16e
5 Similar technologies
6 See also
7 External links



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Technical advantages over WiFi
Because IEEE 802.16 networks use the same LLC layer (standardized by IEEE 802.2) as other LANs and WANs, it can be both bridged and routed to them.

An important aspect of the IEEE 802.16 is that it defines a MAC layer that supports multiple physical layer (PHY) specifications. This is crucial to allow the standard effort to evolve and adapt to various types of end-use requirements. It also allows equipment makers to differentiate their offerings. This is also an important aspect of why WiMAX can be described as a "framework for the evolution of wireless broadband" (copyright WiMAXPro.com) rather than a static implementation of wireless technologies.

Enhancements to current and new technologies and potentially new basic technologies incorporated into the PHY (physical layer) can be used. A converging trend is the use of multi-mode and multi-radio system-on-a-chip (SoC) and system designs that are harmonized through the use of common MAC, system management, roaming, IMS and other levels of the system. WiMAX may be described as a bold attempt at forging many technologies to serve many needs across many spectrums.

The MAC is significantly different from that of IEEE 802.11 Wi-Fi (and Ethernet). In Wi-Fi, the MAC uses contention access—all subscriber stations wishing to pass data through an access point are competing for the AP's attention on a random basis. This can cause distant nodes from the AP to be repeatedly interrupted by less sensitive, closer nodes, greatly reducing their throughput. And this makes services, such as VoIP or IPTV which depend on a determined level of quality of service (QoS) difficult to maintain for large numbers of users. By contrast, the 802.16 MAC is a scheduling MAC where the subscriber station only has to compete once (for initial entry into the network). After that it is allocated a time slot by the base station. The time slot can enlarge and constrict, but it remains assigned to the subscriber station meaning that other subscribers are not supposed to use it but take their turn. This scheduling algorithm is stable under overload and over-subscription (unlike 802.11). It is also much more bandwidth efficient. The scheduling algorithm also allows the base station to control Quality of Service by balancing the assignments among the needs of the subscriber stations.

A recent addition to the WiMAX standard is underway which will add full mesh networking capability by enabling WiMAX nodes to simultaneously operate in "subscriber station" and "base station" mode. This will blur that initial distinction and allow for widespread adoption of WiMAX based mesh networks and promises widespread WiMAX adoption. WiMAX/802.16's use of OFDMA and scheduled MAC allows wireless mesh networks to be much more robust and reliable. These differences between and evolution of Wi-Fi and WiMAX mesh networks could serve as a separate Wikipedia topic.

The original WiMAX standard, IEEE 802.16, specifies WiMAX in the 10 to 66 GHz range. 802.16a, updated in 2004 to 802.16-2004, added support for the 2 to 11 GHz range, of which most parts are already unlicensed internationally and only very few still require domestic licenses. Most business interest will probably be in the 802.16-2004 standard, as opposed to licensed frequencies. The WiMAX specification improves upon many of the limitations of the Wi-Fi standard by providing increased bandwidth and stronger encryption. It also aims to provide connectivity between network endpoints without direct line of sight in some circumstances. The details of performance under non-line of sight (NLOS) circumstances are unclear as they have yet to be demonstrated. It is commonly considered that spectrum under 5-6 GHz is needed to provide reasonable NLOS performance and cost effectiveness for PtM (point to multi-point) deployments. WiMAX makes clever use of multi-path signals but does not defy the laws of physics.

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Uses for WiMAX
WiMAX is a framework for wireless development based on a forward-looking core set of technologies. More recently 3GPP cellular's 4G, 802.22 Cognitive Radio RAN (Rural Area Network), and 802.20, the High Speed Mobile Broadband Wireless Access (MBWA) Working Group, have shifted toward use of similar constructs of multi-channel scalable OFDM, HARQ, FEC, MIMO-AAS and other complementary technologies as are part of WiMAX. WiMAX is designated as the metropolitan area network (MAN) technology that can connect IEEE 802.11 (Wi-Fi) hotspots with each other and to other parts of the Internet and provide a wireless alternative to cable and DSL for last mile (last km) broadband access. However, the field of uses is broader and overlaps those for mobile WAN (wide area networks) and WLANs. IEEE 802.16 provides up to 50 km (31 miles) of linear service area range and allows connectivity between users without a direct line of sight. Note that this should not be taken to mean that users 50 km (31 miles) away without line of sight will have connectivity. Practical limits from real world tests seem to be around "3 to 5 miles" (5 to 8 kilometers). The technology has been claimed to provide shared data rates up to 70 Mbit/s, which, according to WiMAX proponents, is enough bandwidth to simultaneously support more than 60 businesses with T1-type connectivity and well over a thousand homes at 1Mbit/s DSL-level connectivity. Real world tests, however, show practical maximum data rates between 500kbit/s and 2 Mbit/s, depending on conditions at a given site.

It is also anticipated that WiMAX will allow inter-penetration for broadband service provision of VoIP, video, and Internet access—simultaneously. Most cable and traditional telephone companies are closely examining or actively trial-testing the potential of WiMAX for "last mile" connectivity. This should result in better price-points for both home and business customers as competition results from the elimination of the "captive" customer bases both telephone and cable networks traditionally enjoyed. Even in areas without preexisting physical cable or telephone networks, WiMAX could allow access between anyone within range of each other. Home units the size of a paperback book that provide both phone and network connection points are already available and easy to install.
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There is also interesting potential for interoperability of WiMAX with legacy cellular networks. WiMAX antennas can "share" a cell tower without compromising the function of cellular arrays already in place. Companies that already lease cell sites in widespread service areas have a unique opportunity to diversify, and often already have the necessary spectrum available to them (i.e. they own the licenses for radio frequencies important to increased speed and/or range of a WiMAX connection). WiMAX antennae may be even connected to an Internet backbone via either a light fiber optics cable or a directional microwave link. Some cellular companies are evaluating WiMAX as a means of increasing bandwidth for a variety of data-intensive applications. In line with these possible applications is the technology's ability to serve as a very high bandwidth "back-haul" for Internet or cellular phone traffic from remote areas back to a backbone. Although the cost-effectiveness of WiMAX in a remote application will be higher, it is definitely not limited to such applications, and may in fact be an answer to expensive urban deployments of T1 back-hauls as well. Given developing countries' (such as in Africa) limited wired infrastructure, the costs to install a WiMAX station in conjunction with an existing cellular tower or even as a solitary hub will be diminutive in comparison to developing a wired solution. The wide, flat expanses and low population density of such an area lends itself well to WiMAX and its current diametrical range of 30 miles. For countries that have skipped wired infrastructure as a result of inhibitive costs and unsympathetic geography, WiMAX can enhance wireless infrastructure in an inexpensive, decentralized, deployment-friendly and effective manner.

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Product release
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2005
As of 2005, major cities in the USA such as Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Boston, Providence (Rhode Island), and San Francisco are served by Towerstream. Seattle is served by Sprint and Speakeasy.net. In Canada, the University of Winnipeg has spearheaded a WiMax project in Winnipeg called LearningCITI and in Vancouver, BC by MetroBridge Networks. In China, Dalian and Chengdu are implementing pre-WiMAX networks that will be upgradeable when certification testing begins in late 2005. In Chile, Entel announced that it will start offering WiMax in 2006. Current Towerstream, Speakeasy, MetroBridgeand other deployments are of proprietary systems including Airspan Networks, Aperto, Alvarion VL OFDM, Redline Communications, and Dragonwave. Trial deployments have been mostly outside of the U.S. due to limited spectrum availability. Sprint has announced that they will begin trials of pre-certified WiMAX systems. Towerstream and MetroBridge will also introduce WiMAX systems to follow their highly successful pre-WiMAX network; servicing businesses, educational facilities and government entities.

At the July 2005 WiMAX Forum meeting in Vancouver, BC, WiMAX systems began certification testing. Disney took part in the Proof of Concept (POC) display. This showed real simultaneous multi-media capabilities.

April 2005: Intel start shipping its highly integrated WiMAX chip, formerly codenamed "Rosedale [1].

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2006
On January 20, 2006, Colombian company Telecom launched WiMAX on the city of Bucaramanga. Other Colombian cities such as Bogotá, Medellín and Cali have planned to launch WiMAX in 2006. Over 150 WiMAX and pre-WiMAX certified systems trials are now reported to be under way (WiMAX Forum).

On 20 March, 2006, UK start-up Urban Wimax launched the UK's first standards-based WiMAX network in Westminster. They will be targeting SMEs looking for symmetrical broadband connections.

On March 31, 2006, a joint venture between Rogers Communications and Bell Canada announced availability of a national wireless broadband network based on pre-WiMAX standards that would cover over 100 urban and rural areas across Canada. At the time of the announcement, this deployment was one of the largest of its kind in the world.

Among the more prodigious efforts to date are the roll-outs of WiBro/WiMAXm in South Korea: this is a well funded effort to provide service that will evolve from 'simple mobility' to full mobility that is harmonized with 802.16e-2005. Taiwan has similarly allocated 2.3 GHz spectrum and provided government support for WiMAX efforts which are expected to start trials in the second half of 2006.

Numerous regional and national efforts have shown early success: Yozan has increased the plans to roll out WiMAX in Japan, a bellwether for wireless developments.

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FIXED AND MOBILE
April 2006 is seeing the first releases of two, mutually incompatible, versions of WiMAX creating a challenge for everyone in the industry, namely, picking the version that will fare best in the long run. 802.16-2004 WiMAX only supports fixed access, but products are already available. 802.16e WiMAX supports mobile and fixed access but products are still at least a year away.

In one of the most significant WiMAX deployments to date, regional service provider Arialink Broadband, says it is building out a broadband wireless network for all of Muskegon County, Mich., using 802.16e equipment from Samsung Corp. Competition from wired technologies (DSL, cable modem, fiber-to-the-home) and from wireless technologies (Wi-Fi, 3G including WCDMA, HSDPA, EV-DO, TD-CDMA, and proprietary solutions like Qualcomm's FLASH-OFDM) has made it a very broad connectivity market.

Recently announced in Red Herring.com, Clearwire, - a so called 'start-up' - is looking to invest about $1 billion in funds to build its own WiMAX network. Towerstream, has continued to service large cities in the United States, testing and installing WiMAX certified equipment as it is officially released.

The WiMAX Forum member companies and products to complete certification and interoperability testing include Airspan's MacroMAX base station and EasyST subscriber station solution, Axxcelera's ExcelMax base station, Sequans Communications' SQN1010-RD subscriber station solution, Siemens' WayMAX@vantage base station and subscriber station solutions, Aperto's Packetmax 5000 base station, Redline Communication's RedMAX base station and subscriber unit, Proxim Wireless Tsunami MP16 3500, and Wavesat's miniMAX subscriber station solution.

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PCMCIA, FPGA
Beyond these metro area rollouts, WiMAX is like Wi-Fi in that you can "roll your own". April 2006 has many companies moving into the WiMAX arena. Intel continues to be a major driver in the worldwide implementation towards the proliferation and price reduction. Taken at face value, Intel claims to be able to drive the price per user to zero over the next 3-4 years. That is due to embedding WiMAX into the system processors and board architectures for laptop, PDA and other devices. Of course, the price is not zero as premium features drives acceptance of premium 'Intel Inside' driven designs. But as a competitive positioning strategy, the ability to embed multi-mode WiMAX/WiFi/cellular into consumer and IT products should create a compelling argument for WiMAX's acceptance which increases exponentially with each successful deployment.

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WiBro:South Korean version
Perhaps the most telling deployments for WiMAX will be for the WiBro mobile derivative: WiBro has South Korean government support with the requirement for each carrier to spend over $1 billion US for deployments. The Koreans sought to develop WiBro as a regional and potentially international alternative to 3.5-4G systems. But given the lack of self developed momentum as a standard, WiBro has joined WiMAX and agreed to harmonize with the similar OFDMA 802.16e version of the standard. What makes WiBro roll outs, which will start in April of 2006, a good 'test case' for the overall WiMAX effort is that it is mobile, well thought out for delivery of wireless broadband services, and the fact that the deployment is taking place in a highly sophisticated, broadband saturated market. WiBro will go up against 3G and very high bandwidth wire line services rather than as gap-filler or rural under-served market deployments as is often exampled as the 'best fit' markets for WiMAX. WiBro goes much more "in your face" in direct competition with 3G and high bandwidth wired services which pose tough competition. Telecom Italia, the dominant telephony and internet service provider in Italy has announced it will test, together with Korean Samsung Electronics, a WiBro network service, starting from Winter Olympic Games 2006, held in Turin.
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Targeting network service providers, not consumers
Early products are likely to be aimed at network service providers (SPs) and businesses, not consumers. It has the potential to enable millions more to have wireless Internet connectivity, cheaply and easily. Proponents say that WiMAX wireless coverage will be measured in square kilometers while that of Wi-Fi is measured in square meters. According to WiMAX promoters, each WiMAX node or "base station" would enable high-speed Internet connectivity between homes and businesses in a radius of up to 50 km (31 miles).

These claims, especially that such distances can be achieved without LOS (line of sight), represent, at best, a theoretical maximum under ideal circumstances. They have yet to be tested in the real world.

These base stations will eventually cover an entire metropolitan area, making that area into a WMAN and allowing true wireless mobility within it, as opposed to hot-spot hopping required by Wi-Fi. Its proponents are hoping that the technology will eventually be used in notebook computers and PDAs. True roaming cell-like wireless broadband, however, will require 802.16e.

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Qualcomm acquires Flarion
The acquisition of Flarion [2] by mobile wireless heavyweight Qualcomm and the re-posturing of their systems and OFDM patent portfolios as being central to OFDMA/802.16e developments has broadened the level of interest in the emerging field of OFDM wireless. Some question the motives of Qualcomm: is this an attempt to stall adoption of WiMAX? Or is this more a recognition by Qualcomm that OFDM will likely become a predominant core technology for 4G and beyond wireless systems?

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Intel WiMAX Collaborations with Nokia, Motorola in 2005
In June, Nokia and Intel Corporation announced a cooperation to accelerate the development, adoption and deployment of (IEEE 802.16e) Areas of development include mobile clients, network infrastructure, industry-enabling efforts and market development. For mobile devices and notebook platforms, base station strategies to help deploy a WiMAX network infrastructure that will provide adequate and reliable coverage.

Motorola Inc. and Intel Corporation announced on October, 2005, their plan to collaborative adoption of mobile WiMAX based on the proposed IEEE 802.16e standard, for both fixed and wireless broadband applications. Interoperability testing of Motorola mobile devices, network equipment, and customer premises equipment with Intel products.

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Standards
The current 802.16 standard is IEEE Std 802.16-2004, approved in June 2004. It renders the previous (and 1st) version 802.16-2001 obsolete, along with its amendments 802.16a and 802.16c.

IEEE Std 802.16-2004 addresses only fixed systems. An amendment 802.16e is in the works which adds mobility components to the standard. This amendment is expected to be published in February 2006.

802.16-2004 IEEE Standard for Local and metropolitan area networks Part 16: Air Interface for Fixed Broadband Wireless
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IEEE 802.16e
IEEE 802.16-2005, approved December, 2005 (formerly named but still best known as 802.16e or Mobile WiMAX). The WiMAX mobility standard, is an improvement on the modulation schemes stipulated in the original (fixed) WiMAX standard. It allows for fixed wireless and mobile Non Line of Sight (NLOS) applications primarily by enhancing the OFDMA (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiple Access).

Many think that by stipulating a new modulation method called Scalable OFDMA (SOFDMA), 802.16-2005 will make the older 802.16-2004 which uses OFDM-256 obsolete. However, several manufacturers plan for a migration path from the older version of the standard to the more robust, mobile modulation scheme. In any case, manufacturers are working through the WiMAX Forum to achieve compatibility between similar system profiles.

SOFDMA will improve upon OFDM256 for NLOS applications by:

Improving NLOS coverage by utilizing advanced antenna diversity schemes, and hybrid-Automatic Retransmission Request (hARQ)
Increasing system gain by use of denser sub-channelization, thereby improving indoor penetration
Introducing high-performance coding techniques such as Turbo Coding and Low-Density Parity Check (LDPC), enhancing security and NLOS performance
Introducing downlink sub-channelization, allowing administrators to trade coverage for capacity or vice versa
Improving coverage by introducing Adaptive Antenna Systems (AAS) and Multiple Input Multiple Output (MIMO) technology
Eliminating channel bandwidth dependencies on sub-carrier spacing, allowing for equal performance under any RF channel spacing (1.25-14 MHz)
Enhanced Fast Fourier Transform (FFT) algorithm can tolerate larger delay spreads, increasing resistance to multipath interference
SOFDMA and OFDMA256 are not compatible so most equipment will have to be replaced. However, some manufacturers are attempting to provide a migration path for older equipment to SOFDMA compatibility which would ease the transition for those networks which have already made the OFDMA256 investment.

[3] SR Telecom. IEEE 802.16e Standard: What will it mean for fixed wireless applications.
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Similar technologies
UMTS is a direct competitor to WiMAX. UMTS has been deployed in Europe and elsewhere mostly by Mobile Telephone operators. The HSDPA technology enables down-link with data transmission up to 8-10 Mbit/s. In July 2005 EU frequency allocation for WiMAX was blocked by France and Finland, where manufacturers have invested heavily in UMTS technology.

The most recent UMTS 3GPP+ efforts are development of 4G systems based on OFDM rather than CDMA. The 3GLTE/HSOPA platform will be based on MIMO-OFDM basically similar to WiMAX/802.16e-2005. This is both a great endorsement that WiMAX represents the 'framework for the wireless broadband revolution' and a great threat of competition that is free to 'embrace and extend' the new set of wireless technologies. 3.5-3.9G cellular are sufficiently worthy of being labeled 'wireless broadband' and will be competition to WiMAX in several markets. Taking the 'glass half full' position: WiMAX was early to adopt the 'right set' of emerging technologies and is now on course to capture a share of a growing and diverse market for wireless products and WBB based or extended services.

Convergence is more than an industry buzzword: it is taking place both at the rudimentary levels of standards development and component and systems designs and at the macro levels of company acquisitions, telecommunications reform legislation and spectrum regulation. A major factor of the success of WiMAX has to do with the socio-economic and political factors. First you have to get the framework for the evolution of technology on the right path. But that also has to be aligned with the broader macro trends that favor development and international adoption. For numerous reasons WiMAX appears to align quite well.

Unlike earlier broadband wireless access (BWA) iterations WiMAX is highly standardized which should reduce costs. However, since Chipsets are custom-built for each broadband wireless access manufacturer, this adds time and cost to the process of bringing a product to market, and this won't be changed by WiMAX.

WiMAX's equivalent or competitor in Europe is HIPERMAN. WiMAX Forum, the consortium behind the standardization, is working on methods to make 802.16 and HIPERMAN inter-operate seamlessly. Products developed by the WiMAX Forum members need to comply to pass the certification process.

Korea's telecoms industry has developed its own standard, WiBro. In late 2004, Intel and LG Electronics have agreed on interoperability between WiBro and WiMAX.
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承接NB、RMB清零工作,价格面议或PM。支持先款、支持支付宝。
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活活,我就知道有xd会说这个。用google挖,再不行查单词用http://www.m-w.com/

说实话,好多中文翻译的根本就没法看,瞎翻。没别的办法只有看英文的,看啊看啊的就能看懂了

感觉再有个3年,手机就都改PDA了,跑个VoIP的客户端,比如skype,就能通话。现在的电信公司应该转变角色成网络运营商,主要负责维护数据通信线路。PDA也会变成超强的工具,可以运行java程序与公司的J2EE平台实时通信,或者通过浏览器上网站,真正实现移动办公。目前的BlackBerry彻底下岗,哈哈哈
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是啊,还是回复到通讯全靠吼的年代就和谐太平了。

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最新说法,不过感觉质疑的观点比较苍白。
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阚凯力称上3G是经济灾难 学者质疑观点过激
“3G在目前来看,已经是一种过时的技术,完全应该向全IP的无线宽带技术网络去发展、过渡。在这种情况下,咱们国家再上3G,只有一个结论,就是必然会迅速被替代,而且造成巨大的损失,可以说是祸国殃民。”在网上聊天时,阚凯力这样公开表示。这已经不是阚凯力第一次大泼3G冷水了。他一直旗帜鲜明地公开反对中国上3G。

  但这种论调遭到一些专家的批驳。“技术是经济的引擎,任何一个技术进步都不会带来经济灾难。”电信专家吕廷杰在接受记者采访时表示。他认为,担心中国启动3G亏损没必要,“在西方国家,无论是登月计划,还是星球计划,都是通过不断地引入新技术,达到推动产业发展的目的。上3G,也有这方面的意义。”

  吕廷杰认为,技术的进步能够带来新的产业、就业机会,给经济发展注入活力。但技术是有生命周期的,而市场决定着它的生命力。3G技术的投资规模完全可控,如果担心亏损,企业完全可以通过缩小规模等手段降低风险。“3G技术本身并不落后,技术的成熟度总是相对的,倒是中国现在上3G的时间是有些晚了。”吕廷杰说。

  北京邮电大学教授舒华英也力挺3G,他认为3G目前并不过时,不存在被其他一些技术“替代”的问题。

  国资委专家卢奇骏则表示,阚教授“经济灾难论”建立在其个人坚守的3G技术过时和3G将造成重复建设的两大论据上。“对这个观点应该辩证地看待,3G如果不科学地规划会带来巨大的副作用。”卢奇骏说。
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国家论证这么长时间,还在乎浪费钱???
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运营商都比较浮躁...圈地运动最后还是国家和老百姓买单!
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无线宽带为什么不推广一步到位?我们本来就可以直接领先
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推动产业升级。
开发自动装配、自动测试系统,人类应该从事创造性的工作,机器能做的就让机器去做吧。
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利益相关,没有竟争,就国内这两家公司,可以永远的吃老本下去。它才不在乎你!爱用不用。不用拉倒。
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这里面有过家的保护政策。要是在多来几家像移动联通的运营商。我们的话费也不会那么高。他们的售后服务也不会那么差!
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3G的需求确实不明显
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这个事情有点象当年三峡工程论证

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最后留下一堆..

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活活,我就知道有xd会说这个。用google挖,再不行查单词用http://www.m-w.com/

说实话,好多中文翻译的根本就没法看,瞎翻。没别的办法只有看英文的,看啊看啊的就能看懂了

感觉再有个3年,手机就都改PDA了 ...



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只要拍板的人有钱拿,管他狗屁技术,就是0.5G也照上,
联通的cdma不是开始是个什么95 后来又来个1x,费了一大堆钱。
为什么要结婚?
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好文  顶  PDA 绝对是今后的趋势
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